I have'nt used CLP since the late 80s or early 90s. I use Hoppes #9 for cleanup after firing corrosive ammo and G96 for everything else, including lube.

 

While CLP can and will function as both cleaner adn lubricant, I say is better lubricant than cleaner, and will take a long time. Hoppe's is better cleaner, then use CLP for oil. My opinion, HTH~

 

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I too think there are better cleaners, (Hoppes) Breakfree is a good lube as posted above. For general firearm, I like the FP10. There are soooo many, as you have noted that it can get blurry. All do a reasonable job, of lubricating it seems.

 

I use Hoppes9 for the real cleaning. Any kind of wipe down cleaning like on trigger groups and external finish I use CLP. Gas piston, bolt, and barrel get the Hoppes. Every now and then I'll use blue wonder to get the really stubborn stuff. It works great on rust too without causing any damaging. It sure did a hell of a job on my Makarov. I thought the bore was filty until I used blue wonder on it. That chrome was shining like new afterwards. I like to use shooters choice grease also. It works better than CLP in extreme temperatures and keeps the action lubed well after CLP has dried up.

There really just isn't any single C-L-P that does everything perfectly but if I could only have 1 it would be Breakfree CLP and I would make do.

 

On a little side note.... anyone know how Ed's Red compares to Hoppes #9?

 

Hoppe's and Mobil one. It will keep a Ferrari engine going at 12,000 RPM's, an AK is no problem.

 

CLP will work just fine. There are other products which do a better job of cleaning, Mpro7 comes to mind initially.

Hoppes 9 ate the finish off my ORF AK 74 years ago, so I don't use it on AK's anymore, although it works well in shotgun bores.

 

The primary reason I select a product on is corrosion resistance....Everything will lubricate well enough. Not all of them hold up well with corrosion...

This is a cool article a buddy of mine did.

http://www.6mmbr.com/corrosiontest.html

 

Just about nothing is more opinionated on a gun board than a lube/cleaner thread and you will get the whole gambit.

As others have said, BreakFree CLP is a good general purpose item that does everything well but is not the absolute best in all areas. I have used just about all the new "gee-wiz" lubricants, cleaners and CLP's that have come out. In the end, I have always gone back to BreakFree for my general needs with the only exception of other methods when using corrosive ammo.

The only lube I have truly been dissappointed in is Rem Oil in the aerosol can.

Hootbro

 

I used to use Breakfree CLP exclusively on all my guns; Glocks, AKs & ARs.

However I started using Slip2000 and I'm never going back to CLP.

 

I guess I'll chime in with mine. Hoppes #9 for a good scrubbing & FP-10 for lube. (although I use some PGL on my M-1)

 

What did the military just switch too. CLP was gumming up, so the went to something else, anyone know?

 

http://www.clenzoil.com/
http://www.gunbutter.com/
http://www.mp7.com/
http://www.break-free.com/products/index.asp
http://www.colbubbie.com/index.asp?Page ... &ProdID=93
http://www.slip2000.com/
http://www.shooters-choice.com/
http://www.kleen-bore.com/
http://www.militec1.com/new_militec.html
http://www.gunaccessories.com/Hoppes/default.asp
http://www.outers-guncare.com/default.aspx
http://www.corrosionx.com/gun_use.html

 

What did the military just switch too. CLP was gumming up, so the went to something else, anyone know?

We still use CLP (or at least did until Feb. '06 when I left Iraq). Some of us have gotten our hands on MILITECH which kicks ass in the sandy areas of the world.

 

What did the military just switch too. CLP was gumming up, so the went to something else, anyone know?

We still use CLP (or at least did until Feb. '06 when I left Iraq). Some of us have gotten our hands on MILITECH which kicks ass in the sandy areas of the world.

Hoppes...Militec and Mobile 1

 

Tapeo1,
Ed's Red works great. I mixed my first batch years ago and continue to use it to this day, from muzzleloader, to AKs to vintage MGs. True, it will not cut copper, but neither will Hoppes.
http://www.building-tux.com/dsmjd/tech/eds_red.htm

The military continues to use Breakfree CLP, unfortunately. But, in their defense, it does work with enough elbow grease and it is cheap.

When I was deploying to Iraq I took a half gallon of Ed's Red, my own Otis cleaning gear and a bottle of Militec-1. After multiple problems with my battalion's weapons from dust (not sand), I contacted Militec and the President sent me a CASE of lube for free. I distributed it through out the brigade and our weapons problems ceased almost overnight. Amazing stuff in a dry climate.

 

Tapeo1,
Ed's Red works great. I mixed my first batch years ago and continue to use it to this day, from muzzleloader, to AKs to vintage MGs. True, it will not cut copper, but neither will Hoppes.
http://www.building-tux.com/dsmjd/tech/eds_red.htm

The military continues to use Breakfree CLP, unfortunately. But, in their defense, it does work with enough elbow grease and it is cheap.

When I was deploying to Iraq I took a half gallon of Ed's Red, my own Otis cleaning gear and a bottle of Militec-1. After multiple problems with my battalion's weapons from dust (not sand), I contacted Militec and the President sent me a CASE of lube for free. I distributed it through out the brigade and our weapons problems ceased almost overnight. Amazing stuff in a dry climate.

Hey Lance, thanks for the reply. I actually use Ed's Red too. I personally don't notice much of a difference other that Hoppes smells much better and Ed's Red is a lot cheaper. I was just wondering what other people's opinion was on the subject. As far as copper fouling, I'm wondering if adding some ammonia to either Ed's Red or Hoppes#9 would be effective for that. I'll have to give some Militech a try.

 

Sweets 7.62 works for copper, and the ammonia smell is a real wakeup.
A real rocket scientist neighbor of mine built me an electric cleaning device. I think Outers used to sell one. Reverse electroplating kind of thing. WOrks great on copper.

 

Sweets 7.62 works for copper, and the ammonia smell is a real wakeup.
A real rocket scientist neighbor of mine built me an electric cleaning device. I think Outers used to sell one. Reverse electroplating kind of thing. WOrks great on copper.

Rocket scientist not required for electronic bore cleaner, just search on surplus rifles. If you require detailed instructions, PM me I can give you a call on how to make one. AS for cleaners/lube. CLP is a good, lube/hasty cleaner, hence the name C.L.P. (Cleaner,Lubricant,Protectant)

Yes Jack of all trades, master of none comes to mind.

I have been using the formula for ED's red for quite some time now, placing it in a pressurized can I purchased from Harbor Freight to using it to swab the bore. It does a good job. Removing Cu fouling is another matter, I roll with a homemade electronic bore cleaner. You can find the plans on Surplus rifles, or you can PM me and I will walk you through it over the phone. Amazingly simple.


At any rate. ED's will cut the lacquer coating in the chamber of your rifle, it also will cut most powder fouling.

It will not cut Cu (copper) fouling, it also will not nuetralize the salts with respect to corrossive ammo that you may be shooting.


If you shoot corrossive ammo,

Clean your rifle first with hot soapy water it is the only agent that will nuetralize the corrosive priming agent.

Follow up with a suitable cleaning regime, ED's red or equivalent.

Best of luck

 

My question still remains.... would adding ammonia to the Ed's Red formula dissolve the copper?

 

If I'm restricted to ONE cleaner/lube, I'll go with Ballistol.

Other wise I like Shooter's Choice Bore Solvent and FP-10 as a lube.

Tapeo, as far as adding amonia to the mix of Ed's Red, I don't know.....

I'm not a chemist, nor do I play one on the internet, but I might be a little worried about adding more stuff to the mix, not knowing how all of it would react together.

 

Tapeo, as far as adding amonia to the mix of Ed's Red, I don't know.....

I'm not a chemist, nor do I play one on the internet, but I might be a little worried about adding more stuff to the mix, not knowing how all of it would react together.

I was hoping that someone else would volunteer to be the guinea pig and see what happens. :grin:

 

This is an old article but it has some interesting points to consider.


http://www.militec1.com/articles/hoffer_story2.html


And an alternative lube.

http://www.maxpedition.com/product/product_xf7.htm

 

I know your not talking about adding amonia then applying and leaving it on for a while, but I dont think amonia and chrome bores go real well together. I, like Templer think that adding may be hazardous, and the chrome plate doesnt like it in excess.

After corrosive shooting session, I think Windex is OK to spray down the rifle, but I wash it off after no more than 30 min. with hot water.